The King James Bible vs The Thiemes
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‘As a mad man who casteth firebrands, arrows and death… This is a video made in reponse to ‘brainouty’, who is defending the translations of the Thiemes, RB Thieme Jr.(former pastor) and son, Robert Thieme lll,the present pastor, (Berachah church, Houston Texas) against the KJB. The claim is that the ‘orginal languages are the REAL Bible and it would seem only the Thiemes understand them and can correctly translate them. The world anxiously awaits the ‘Thieme’ Bible to correct the numerous …
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August 23 2009 10:10 pm | Education
edwardpf123 on 27 Aug 2009 at 12:35 am #
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This is Thieme’s comment on Exo.20:13,
(10 Commandments,pg.42)
‘however the hebrew word for ‘kill’ is “Katal’ and this is not the word used here. The Hebrew word in this verse is “ratsach” which does not mean to kill, but to ‘murder’
Is that true? No, it isn’t!
The Heb. word ‘ratsach’ means to ‘kill’ as well.
And so it is trans. in the NASB in Num.35:27
‘and the blood avenger KILLS the manslayer’.
What Thieme counted on was no one checking him or questioning him.
edwardpf123 on 27 Aug 2009 at 7:22 pm #
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Actually, ‘interpret’ and ‘translate’ mean the same thing and that is how it is used in the KJB.
‘to translate unintelligible words into intelligible ones’ (Web. 1828)
So, you are either going to trust the KJB which anyone can check, or you are going to trust a pastor, who is claiming that is interpretation is better then the KJB and men who he himself called ‘brilliant’
Can ‘Theos’, be trans. as ‘godly’?
Every major translation does so’.
Thieme said it can’t be, with no proof.
2Pe.1:20.
edwardpf123 on 29 Aug 2009 at 11:08 am #
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No, I don’t have’ R.B.Thieme vs the translators of the KJV’, the video is about ‘the KJB vs the Thiemes’. You really have a reading problem.
edwardpf123 on 31 Aug 2009 at 12:07 pm #
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No, the basis of the video isn’t flawed. The issue is final authority. The argument is with a view that holds that a pastor can make up his own translation in violation of 2Pe.1:20 which forbids private interpretation. So, the issue, which are you going to believe, the KJB or any one man?
The fact that any man would claim the sole right to interpret the Bible for his local church, makes him as ‘Popish’ as any Pope who ever lived.
edwardpf123 on 31 Aug 2009 at 8:36 pm #
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Yes, the commandment ‘thou shalt not kill’ is correct. That is what every pre-1611 Bible had it for Rom.13:9 ( a citation of Exod.20) as well as the modern ASV.
And Lucifer and Satan are the same person-who ever said otherwise?
So, it would seem that is you who are very confused and uninformed.
seadeus on 01 Sep 2009 at 8:28 pm #
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If you think the KJV is without flaw, tell if you think the commandment , thou shall not “kill” is correct?
Another thing, why do you believe Lucifer and Satan are not the same. You really should not be worried about other Christians until you get that figured out. It is about as basic as it gets.
seadeus on 05 Sep 2009 at 7:04 am #
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You are wrong, and I’ll tell you exactly why. You slipped in “interpretations” when if you were being honest you would use the word “translation”. Neither Thieme nor the KJV translators claimed authority over God’s word. You have created a false conflict.
seadeus on 07 Sep 2009 at 7:11 am #
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The basis of this video is flawed. You have RB Thieme v. the translators of the KJV. That is men on both sides and I am sure that none of these men would claim perfection. The only logical way around that flaw is to assume you do believe in a pope, and you vote for the KJV translators over Thieme. I can assure you neither side claims the title of pope. The argument is with you alone, not Thieme or KJV translators.
edwardpf123 on 08 Sep 2009 at 10:34 am #
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You are correct brother, and I will be doing a video soon on spiritual gifts that address that issue.
edwardpf123 on 08 Sep 2009 at 11:12 pm #
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No, actually I am not. The Thieme’s hold to the view that the local pastor can use the ‘original languages’ to make their own private interpretations of scripture, ignoring every translation. That is in violition of 2Pe.1:20. No Pastor is the final authority, the written words of God are and every pastor is to be checked by them. as Paul was by the Bereans (Acts 17:11)
fedorvonbock16 on 11 Sep 2009 at 8:36 pm #
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you are wrong
edwardpf123 on 14 Sep 2009 at 7:44 pm #
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Yes, the Pope made Jerome translate the Apocypha books, and so?
‘In so doing, the trans. have carried out the directive of our predecessor PiusX11, in his famous Encyclical…and the decree of the Second Vactican Council, whch prescribed that ‘up-to-date and appropriate trans. be made in the various languages, by preference from the original texts of the sacred books’ (preface to NAS)
And King James authorized the trans. from the ‘orginal tongue’, not the corrupt Alex.text.
edwardpf123 on 18 Sep 2009 at 6:43 am #
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And the Catholic vulgate was corrupt, Jerome used corrupt Mss. the same corrupt text that Thieme uses.
The RCC has since moved away from the Latin and have embraced the ‘original languages’ holding to the corrupt texts, that were used in the vulgate, not the pure TR line that started the Reformation.
King James believed that the people ought to read the Bible in their own language, not depend on a priesthood to tell them what the Bible really meant.
The English KJB IS the word of God.
edwardpf123 on 21 Sep 2009 at 11:43 am #
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If King James believed that, he was wrong.
The King James translators believed that they had made an ‘exact translation’ of God’s word.
It was always thought that a translation could be God’s inspired words. That only changed with Hodge and Warfield. They are ones that started the nonsense that only the ‘original’s were inspired, which means we don’t have any inspired Bible.
Also, Thieme makes up his translations with no check on him. And he lied about the Gr. of Rom.8:28.
ChristKeep on 24 Sep 2009 at 8:42 am #
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Amen! Such “healings” ceased since the NT church has been established. If we need healing, we DIRECTLY pray to God through Christ [Mark 11:24].
edwardpf123 on 25 Sep 2009 at 5:21 am #
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Healing is nowhere stated in those verses.
edwardpf123 on 26 Sep 2009 at 8:58 pm #
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Well, you are both wrong. No man today has the gift of healing.
edwardpf123 on 27 Sep 2009 at 1:51 am #
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I never denied that the Lord Jesus Christ still heals, what I said is that the gift of healing is no longer in operatin.
CDNHoneybee on 29 Sep 2009 at 11:30 pm #
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Satan does counterfeit God, everyone knows that, but Jesus DOES heal today. I know born again believers who have been physically healed by God! I am a testimony of faith that Jesus DOES heal!
You should check out Andrew Wommack, He is a Godly preacher and sees healings all the time and believes in the king james bible only.
CDNHoneybee on 01 Oct 2009 at 7:12 am #
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And the ‘gift’ of healing did NOT end with the Apostles. Jesus is the same yesterday,today and forever, since He healed then, He does it now, for , He is no respector of pesons. In the gospel of Matthew it says that Jesus Himself took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses and that means for today as well.
I stand in agreement with piszczeck, everything she says is biblical and the truth.
edwardpf123 on 02 Oct 2009 at 12:47 pm #
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And that verse has nothing to do with healings. It has to do with the Kingdom of heaven being shown to Israel and the leaders rejecting it.
edwardpf123 on 05 Oct 2009 at 5:07 pm #
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No, the gift of healing wasn’t progressive, it was immediate.
The word ‘sick’ in that context, means sick.
No, it isn’t an assumption, since no one today has the gift. The gift was to establish authority as a Apostle, and once that was established the gift was removed.
No one has that gift today. Satan does counterfeit it with phony healings.
edwardpf123 on 08 Oct 2009 at 3:34 am #
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The Bible says that Paul left his friend sick. It says that pre-Canon gifts would cease (1Cor.13:8)
Nothing in those verses say a word about the gift of healing. The power is given to Christ.
piszczeck on 11 Oct 2009 at 11:03 am #
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The Bible doesn’t say that the gift of healing was ever removed from the 70, or that the gifts were removed with the closing of the Canon.
Mat 28:18 & Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven & in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, & teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, & of the Son, & of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: &, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
piszczeck on 14 Oct 2009 at 8:16 pm #
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Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.